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There was some discussion about this album, and I've heard too many excellent things about it. But there are two versions of the Ginger album on CD, one on Warp and another on a different label. I think the non-Warp album had fewer tracks. I was wondering whether the Warp album was released domestically in the US as part of the AI series, through Wax Trax? All I can find now is the non-Warp version on import, and I'm not sure i should blow $20 on that. Thanks for any help, James.

jseo@mit.edu wrote:

quoted 10 lines There was some discussion about this album, and I've heard too many

> > > There was some discussion about this album, and I've heard too many > excellent things about it. But there are two versions of the Ginger album > on CD, one on Warp and another on a different label. I think the non-Warp > album had fewer tracks. I was wondering whether the Warp album was released > domestically in the US as part of the AI series, through Wax Trax? All I > can find now is the non-Warp version on import, and I'm not sure i should > blow $20 on that. Thanks for any help, > James.

I've seen only the original version (on +8) in the US. Overall I think it's spotty in places ... title track is _very_ good and de-orbit is as well (the latter not added to the US version) but most of the other stuff, some of which was recorded much earlier (like spikkels) IMHO suffers from repetitiveness and general lack of ideas. I'd give some of the others in the AI series, most notably Polygon Window and B12 a chance before this, or even the Wildplanet album (why wasn't this in the AI series? Too dancy?). Anyway, has the Autechre album been released yet? Any good? /-oOOo------------oOOo-\ --------------------------/------------------------\-------------------------- "the only constant / Harvey D. Thornburg \ "the only certainty thing is change" / \ is uncertainty" / hthornbu@osiris.ac.hmc.edu \ ------------------------------------------------------------

quoted 7 lines I've seen only the original version (on +8) in the US. Overall I think it's

>I've seen only the original version (on +8) in the US. Overall I think it's >spotty in places ... title track is _very_ good and de-orbit is as well (the >latter not added to the US version) but most of the other stuff, some of >which was recorded much earlier (like spikkels) IMHO suffers from >repetitiveness and general lack of ideas. I'd give some of the others in >the AI series, most notably Polygon Window and B12 a chance before this, or >even the Wildplanet album (why wasn't this in the AI series? Too dancy?).

wow... just to weigh in with a different opinion (as usual)... i think Speedy J is brilliant, "Ginger" is a great album, and it blows away most of the other stuff in the AI series - *particularly* B12 which i think is so dull as to be practically unlistenable. Polygon Window has its moments, but Speedy J has *more* moments. And Spikkels is one of my favorite tracks. :) Jon Drukman jdrukman%dlsun87@oracle.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This calls for a very special blend of psychology and extreme violence.

Jon Drukman said:

quoted 4 lines wow... just to weigh in with a different opinion (as usual)... i think

>wow... just to weigh in with a different opinion (as usual)... i think >Speedy J is brilliant, "Ginger" is a great album, and it blows away >most of the other stuff in the AI series - *particularly* B12 which i >think is so dull as to be practically unlistenable.

Ditto on the Speedy J - brilliant. I actually had the same impression of B12 initially, but discovered a few good tracks upon listening a few months later. Of course, those were the ones that had been released as part of the Musicology series earlier, making the LP redundant, but... Joe ----------(Joe Rice)--------------------------(they entered the vortex)-------- -----(ambient@netcom.com)------------------(and the dreams became reality)-----

Ginger was one of the best albums I bought last year. Really beautiful production. I think it is the best one in the AI-series. Polygon Window has got some really interesting tracks, but also some tracks which are not so funny. B12, Autechre and Fuse are ok, but nothing to get too excited about. I am *very* glad they didn't put the Wildplanet-album in the AI-series. Actually, I don't quite get why that album has been released at all by *any* recordcompany... Fredrik / RND

On Sat, 29 Jan 1994, Fredrik Idestam-Almquist wrote:

quoted 3 lines I am *very* glad they didn't put the Wildplanet-album in the AI-series.

> I am *very* glad they didn't put the Wildplanet-album in the AI-series. > Actually, I don't quite get why that album has been released at all by *any* > recordcompany...

Hmmmmm ... I hope that was IYHO. I quite like that album. I don't understand why you would even suspect Warp would put that in the AI series. It's basically a hardcore squidgy-sound album. (... and for what it is, it's rather good.) ============================================================================== Ian Woodhouse mada7170@mach1.wlu.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ * Analogue Adored, Digital Deplored * ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Info on 'zine submissions: finger mada7170@mach1.wlu.ca ==============================================================================

Ian Woodhouse wrote:

quoted 12 lines On Sat, 29 Jan 1994, Fredrik Idestam-Almquist wrote:

> > On Sat, 29 Jan 1994, Fredrik Idestam-Almquist wrote: > > > I am *very* glad they didn't put the Wildplanet-album in the AI-series. > > Actually, I don't quite get why that album has been released at all by *any* > > recordcompany... > > Hmmmmm ... I hope that was IYHO. I quite like that album. I don't > understand why you would even suspect Warp would put that in the AI > series. It's basically a hardcore squidgy-sound album. (... and for what > it is, it's rather good.) >

Actually I was the one who suspected, sorry for the confusion. Grounds being that it isn't _that_ dancy an album, and does veer somewhat towards the experimental side. Re: Speedy J - differences of opinion... I listened to "Ginger" again last night (the +8 version, minus Deorbit) and have pretty much come to the same conclusion; I really like the title track, but not much else. I just don't thing there's enough "development" in most of the pieces to warrant much of interest, or if there is it seems to be so warm and consonant that it feels like you're drowning in a bowl of sugar. However, I can certainly see many people hold quite the contrary opinion. Perhaps we can all at least agree that Speedy J's approach is very similar to Kraftwerk in the use of direct, fresh structures and willful self-limitation, and it seems to work for most people. Anyway, what I fail to understand is how anyone could find B12 dull. For me, they find exactly the right place between depth and self-limitation. Ah well, I like "Redcell:Stasis" even better, particularly the "Stasis" half... /-oOOo------------oOOo-\ --------------------------/------------------------\-------------------------- "the only constant / Harvey D. Thornburg \ "the only certainty thing is change" / \ is uncertainty" / hthornbu@osiris.ac.hmc.edu \ ------------------------------------------------------------

I did not suspect that WARP would put Wildplanet in the AI-series, I promise. However, someone else on the list (I don't remember who,though) wondered why it wasn't put in the AI-series. I just wanted to say that I'm glad they didn't, cuz in my opinion that album isn't very funny. I don't think it brought many new ideas to the hardcorescene. I just don't like distorted *digital* kicks and snares, etc. However, equipment like the 808 & the 909 sound really fat when properly distorted... And, yes, these are my private opinions... Fredrik /RND <f91-fid@nada.kth.se>

what do people think of the speedy j album, "ginger"? i really really like 'de-orbit' from the warp artificial intelligence compilation.. is 'ginger' more of the same? -- ian

Speaking of De-orbit, my 12" with that song was stolen. Can anyone help me locate a new one? Tom

Ian Melven writes:

quoted 3 lines what do people think of the speedy j album, "ginger"? i really really

> what do people think of the speedy j album, "ginger"? i really really > like 'de-orbit' from the warp artificial intelligence compilation.. > is 'ginger' more of the same?

Yes. It's probably one of my top ten albums of '93. Be sure and buy the pressing on +8, though, the Warp version doesn't have quite as good a tracklist. Absolutely stay away from the version on Radikal (which unfortunately seems to be the easiest to find in the US), which deletes a few tracks in favor of outdated Paap material like "Something for Your Mind." C. -- (Chris.Hilker) cspot@netcom.com

I recently picked up the Ambient Dub Vol II on Beyond Records (which is excellent) and it features A.P.L. They have one of the most mesmerizing tracks I've heard in a while. The track is called "The Calling". First, does anyone know what euipment they used on that track? Could it be a 303 running through a Space Echo? Second, what else is known about A.P.L. ? see you in the phuture, _-_->psiborg<-_-_

In <Pine.3.89.9406072041.A16775-0100000@chinook.halcyon.com> you (Transistor Rhythm ) wrote :

quoted 6 lines I recently picked up the Ambient Dub Vol II on Beyond Records (which is

>I recently picked up the Ambient Dub Vol II on Beyond Records (which is >excellent) and it features A.P.L. They have one of the most mesmerizing >tracks I've heard in a while. The track is called "The Calling". First, >does anyone know what euipment they used on that track? Could it be a >303 running through a Space Echo? Second, what else is known about >A.P.L. ?

On Ambient Dub III there's also a track by A.P.L., 'Hypnosystem'. On Trance Europe Express II A.P.L. are present with 'Pleidean Communication'. Both tracks are pretty good, but i don't hear a 303. btw, Mixmaster Morris' track on TEX II is very good.... (the whole thing is very good actually...) I'm also really looking forward to a new Speedy J album. His tracks on AI2 and TEX II are some of the best things i heard in a while.... Cheers, -- +-----------------------------------+ | Hans Veneman | | E-mail: veneman@tv99ad.hacktic.nl | | phone: +31(0)3200-35266 | +-----------------------------------+

Hans wrote:

quoted 4 lines I'm also really looking forward to a new Speedy J album. His tracks

> > I'm also really looking forward to a new Speedy J album. His tracks > on AI2 and TEX II are some of the best things i heard in a while.... >

Are they anything like "Pepper" ? I consider "Pepper" housey trance. I guess I'll find out soon, as I'm waiting on an order for AI2 and TEXII ! -kc

In <9406092025.aa08755@blkbox.COM> you (djkc) wrote :

quoted 5 lines I'm also really looking forward to a new Speedy J album. His tracks

>> I'm also really looking forward to a new Speedy J album. His tracks >> on AI2 and TEX II are some of the best things i heard in a while.... > >Are they anything like "Pepper" ? >I consider "Pepper" housey trance.

Mmmm, they're a bit more like the 'laid-back' songs on 'Ginger', like 'R2 D2' and 'Fill 14'. Jochem's new(ish) CD5 on Warp/Beam Me Up! is really good too. It features mixes of 'Beam Me Up!' and 'Pepper' as well as an impressive live set including 'Ginger', 'Pepper' and 'Flashback'. This CD5 is more housey trance. Cheers, -- +-----------------------------------+ | Hans Veneman | | E-mail: veneman@tv99ad.hacktic.nl | | phone: +31(0)3200-35266 | +-----------------------------------+

On Mon, 20 Jun 1994, Jon Drukman wrote:

quoted 2 lines The difference between the +8 and Radikal versions of "Ginger" is that the

> The difference between the +8 and Radikal versions of "Ginger" is that the > Radikal one removes "Spikkels" and adds "Something For Your Mind" and

I have +8 Ginger and Spikkels isn't on it.. _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d <finger me for PGP key> /,_) \ \ flu'id (floo'-) (/ \\ brit@chopin.udel.edu :65 FD F9 9F F2 23 F8 CF: \) fluid@freezer.cns.udel.edu :80 9C 11 AA 9F 92 0D 27:

quoted 4 lines The difference between the +8 and Radikal versions of "Ginger" is that the

>> The difference between the +8 and Radikal versions of "Ginger" is that the >> Radikal one removes "Spikkels" and adds "Something For Your Mind" and > > I have +8 Ginger and Spikkels isn't on it..

It's on the CD. Last track. C. -- Channel ** cspot/chris [cspot@netcom.com]

quoted 6 lines The difference between the +8 and Radikal versions of "Ginger" is that the

> >> The difference between the +8 and Radikal versions of "Ginger" is that the > >> Radikal one removes "Spikkels" and adds "Something For Your Mind" and > > > > I have +8 Ginger and Spikkels isn't on it.. > > It's on the CD. Last track.

I just checked Greg 303's +8 discog, and he doesn't list the tracks for Ginger. I guess that maybe Alan has the vinyl copy, which may omit a few tracks (of which +8 is known to do on occation). For the record, it's on my +8 cd, with a matrix number of the following: DISQUE AMERIC 00W41<067>PLUS8025 Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@phoenix.aps.muohio.edu

In <9406211605.AA13956@phoenix.aps.muohio.edu> you (Andrew Bennett) wrote :

quoted 7 lines I have +8 Ginger and Spikkels isn't on it..

>> > I have +8 Ginger and Spikkels isn't on it.. >> >> It's on the CD. Last track. > >I just checked Greg 303's +8 discog, and he doesn't list the tracks for >Ginger. I guess that maybe Alan has the vinyl copy, which may omit a few >tracks (of which +8 is known to do on occation).

'Spikkels' isn't on the Dutch Beam Me Up! release either. It's a Dutch word btw, it means something like 'dots'. You should check out the CD5 of 'Beam me Up!' too btw (released by BMU/Warp). It features a very good track called 'Live '94' which blends together the tracks 'Ginger', 'Pepper' and 'Flashback'. It's almost 16 minutes long and most tracks are very different from the album-versions. I think it's recorded live in his studio..... -- +-----------------------------------+ | Hans Veneman | | E-mail: veneman@tv99ad.hacktic.nl | | phone: +31(0)3200-35266 | +-----------------------------------+

On Tue, 21 Jun 1994, Andrew Bennett wrote:

quoted 2 lines Ginger. I guess that maybe Alan has the vinyl copy, which may omit a few

> Ginger. I guess that maybe Alan has the vinyl copy, which may omit a few > tracks (of which +8 is known to do on occation).

That I do :) _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d <finger me for PGP key> /,_) \ \ flu'id (floo'-) (/ \\ brit@chopin.udel.edu :65 FD F9 9F F2 23 F8 CF: \) fluid@freezer.cns.udel.edu :80 9C 11 AA 9F 92 0D 27:

quoted 1 line

>>>>>>>

The difference between the +8 and Radikal versions of "Ginger" is that the Radikal one removes "Spikkels" and adds "Something For Your Mind" and "Pullover". (Why they didn't just ADD those two... I dunno. There would have been plenty of room evem with Spikkels left on.) <<<<<<< is spikkels a good enough choon that i'd really really want to find the original? i've been holding off buying "ginger" on radikal for the track reasons alone! (\/\/)

I have Speedy J's "Pepper (hot mix)" and love the rhythm...kinda housey, but very kickin...and the added echoey trancey sounds made me buy it...and play it regularly in my slow sets. Are there any other tracks like this by Speedy J which will move the crowd? Thanks, -djkc

RE>speedy j

quoted 2 lines is spikkels a good enough choon that i'd really really want to find the

>is spikkels a good enough choon that i'd really really want to find the >original?

i like it, it's a nice mellow closer, whereas Something For Your Mind and Pullover, while good, definitely sound out of place. /jon

quoted 1 line Speedy J - G-spot [25745] Planet Earth $13.00 #

>Speedy J - G-spot [25745] Planet Earth $13.00 #

i didn't read wrong. -- o _/,_ . /o...\__// fk453@cleveland.freenet.edu \_'__/``\` \`

Good grief !! Just saw this in a new releases list:

quoted 3 lines SPEEDY J: Pullover 12" (PLUS 8 CLASSICS) $6.15 (edit) 1990-1, Paap

> SPEEDY J: Pullover 12" (PLUS 8 CLASSICS) $6.15 (edit) 1990-1, Paap > released 'Pullover'. (edit) The track's infectious simple melody > was heard throughout the world, turning heads

Whoa... I remember this! And just after hearing his A Shocking Hobby, which rushes over me like a shower of shrapnel, here comes THIS re-release :-) "infectious simple melody" indeed. Funny to think that this is the same person. I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

missed this but speedy j did a whole series of tracks with this STOOR imprint https://www.discogs.com/label/1401785-Stoor Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings